Discussion

1. Old Holborn

   2013-11-05T16:45:54+01:000000005430201311
   

   Liberty is bunkum and the Libertarian cause has reached the end of the line. Nobody cares anymore. Nobody, not even Old Holborn
   1. Anon

      2013-11-05T21:22:22+01:000000002230201311
      

      I care. You have a severe case of apathy – but it’s curable, don’t worry. All is not lost, all you have to do is see through the mist and WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!!!!
      1. harveyed

         2013-11-06T14:35:53+01:000000005330201311
         

         What would it help if you and I see through the mist if everyone else denies it. They will just mock us if we show that we care.

         There really is no reason to do one’s best anymore if even a few percent of what Snowden has uncovered and shown is true. What reason is there to do one’s best if someone else can spy on it, take Credit for it and also mock you to no end for the silly or embarrassing mistakes you made along the way..?

         And what does the Mass Media do? Systematically bash those dam’ Russians for being such homophobiacs. As if the United States did not have their “fair share” of homophobia also.

         I don’t think I’ve seen any such massive anti-Russia propaganda in my life, except the past few months since the NSA scandal.
2. Caleb Lanik

   2013-11-05T17:16:28+01:000000002830201311
   

   I had forgotten about 11/5 this year, thanks for the reminder.
3. Anonymous

   2013-11-05T19:42:14+01:000000001430201311
   

   the problem to me seems to be more a fact that those who have power and wealth are using those things to get more power and wealth. they are doing it by backing politicians in return for laws that increase the way they operate and achieve their wants. in doing things to please, the politicians are taking less and less notice of the people, the ones who not only voted them into the present positions but pledged to do what is best for those they wanted voted from.

   as usual, once in position, the politicians quickly chose to ignore those people and have used/are using their positions to glean from the ones already with wealth and power in the hope of getting to those heights themselves, under any circumstances. the problem is, sooner or later there will be a conflict of interest and the inevitable split will occur. the ones, as usual, who lose out will be the people. those that caused the situation will walk away unscathed as they always do, with their power and their wealth hardly dented!
4. Henry Rouhivuori

   2013-11-05T20:49:44+01:000000004430201311
   

   Next Fifth of November a new Riksdag in Sweden has existed 52 days. We should be there.
5. Zacqary Adam Green

   2013-11-05T23:48:44+01:000000004430201311
   

   Something my friend wrote on Facebook today:

   Guy Fawkes (who in reality was a supporter of Catholic theocracy) is seen as an anarchist hero because of V for Vendetta, anarchists who wear it aren’t celebrating Guy Fawkes they’re celebrating “V”, a fictional hero, who granted DID celebrate Guy Fawkes but only as a symbol of defiance against the British status quo (he also wasn’t the most STABLE guy.)

   But the rabbit hole goes deeper: Anarchists use it, because of its use by Anonymous, Anonymous uses it because they needed to cover their faces in order to avoid retribution by the church of $cientology during Project Chanology AND because the mask was popularized by a film where the original anarchist vs. fascist conflict of the comic is subjected to a Liberal re-imagining of V as a Liberal hero fighting Neoconservatives, where the big reveal of the movie becomes “9-11 was an inside job!” so let’s all reform the government!

   So to recap: a failed theocratic terrorist is burned in effigy in England every year to celebrate the victory of State Power. Alan Moore re-appropriates this symbol in opposition to State Power, by creating a fictional Anarchist who lionizes Fawkes as a symbol of defiance. The Wackowski brothers then AGAIN re-appropriate that Anarchist hero, remove the anarchism, and turn him into a Liberal hero standing up to George Bush style neocons in order to argue for “populist” reforms in America.

   Warner Brothers makes a whole bunch of masks because of the popularity of the movie. Then an Anarchic web collective uses those masks to hide their identities while they protest a corpro/theocratic cult, and then later bring those masks to Zuccotti Park, where – A WHOLE BUNCH OF ANARCHISTS START WEARING THEM AGAIN.

   It’s bloody fascinating to see how symbolism works in society.
6. V

   2013-11-06T14:36:45+01:000000004530201311
   

   Thanks for sending this story to my email on the 6th of Nov.

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